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  2. Exactly. I don't think anyone would dispute what Craft Freemasonry is, but plenty would dispute that there is no Freemasonry outside the Craft.
  3. The interesting contradiction for me is with something like KT, which was practiced in Preceptories opened in Craft Lodges (ie Thos Dunkerley in Pompey) or the ne plus Ultra degrees in Cornwall and Newcastle , or the Baldwyn Rite. Specifically the Mark degrees which are not part of UGLE Masonry because the members of Bon Accord wanted their own GL........these degrees which were once practiced in Craft lodges or bodies opened within a Craft Lodge must surely be able to be described as Masonic whilst not forming part of UGLE Masonry. I fully accept UGLEs definition of what Craft Freemasonry is, but the question (in my eyes) whether a degree or order maybe be broadly described as Masonic is different to what specifically constitutes part of Craft Masonry under UGLE.
  4. There was a statement from UGLE some years ago making it clear that the "standard" appendant degrees, mainly those run from MMH and Duke Street, while not "recognised", were nevertheless perfectly acceptable for Masons to join. There is no suggestion that they are not Masonic. I seem to remember that Prince Michael, as Mark Grand Master, stood next to his brother at the 250th celebration. I belong to Mark, RAM and AMD. They all teach lessons of morality which fit in perfectly well with those in the Craft degrees.
  5. I’m in a number of other Masonic orders, and — with the exception of SRIA, which is not Masonic but recruits only Master Masons — they consider themselves, and I consider them, to be Masonic. UGLE might like to think it has the Masonic monopoly, but that sort of thinking is of no interest to me.
  6. UGLE - Aims and relationships of the craft and GLoI - Declaration, both these Grand Lodges inform under item 9. This Grand Lodge is a Sovereign and independent Body practising Freemasonry only within the three Degrees and only with the limits defined in its Constitution as “pure Ancient Masonry”. It does not recognise or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled. It is from this i also deem Appendant Bodies in same manner as Mike. Not actually Masonic in nature but their members can only be recruited from craft membership.
  7. As an aside, what criteria would you use Brethren to determine whether an Order is Masonic?
  8. That's a bit strong, Mike. Where do you draw the line? I would regard the Solomonic Orders as definitely Masonic and some others grew out of old operative practices. On the other hand it could be argued that the Christian orders (other, possibly, than ROS) were founded FOR masons but do not have an operative ancestry as such. Where would you put the new boy, Athelstan, for example?
  9. New guidance from MMH tells Secretaries of Orders they administer what to do - essentially put a copy of the suspension order in the Minute Book then (when it comes) a copy of the resumption order. I've already printed off 6 copies of the suspension order!
  10. Interesting: https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101393970-grand-connaught-rooms-holborn-and-covent-garden-ward#.XntBiIj7SUk
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  12. I'm going to tweak the circular advice from the GSec about abandoned meetings (ie) ... “The regular meeting of the Lodge on …. day …. March, 2020 was duly called in accordance with the attached summons. Owing to the incidence of the coronavirus the required number of Brethren to open the Lodge could not be assembled and the meeting was abandoned” The minutes will state .. "By command of the Grand Master, the regular meeting of the Lodge on xx May 2020 was abandoned due to suspension of Masonic Activity for a period of 4 months to combat the Coronavirus (infomally known as Covid-19) pandemic." And I'll append a copy of the command to the minutes.
  13. You just enter the fact of the suspension in the minute book, along with the GM's letter, and circulate the minute in the normal way. It will come up for confirmation at the next regular meeting. I don't think it would make much sense to issue a summons of any kind when a lodge or all lodges are under suspension. It would make sense, though, to issue a notice, with the GM's letter, in lieu of a summons, advising that the lodge is suspended - even though everyone already knows. In cases where rule 119(a) would be in effect, then the letter should be in the name of the SW. As always, if in doubt ask your ProvGSec.
  14. There seems to be a lot of talk about rule 137, however there seems to be a direct order from the GM. So what do we do? Issue a summons saying the meeting has been abandoned by order of the GM? Do nothing or anything in between? Rex Kerslay
  15. Greetings Brethren All Our Lodge in Leeds, in the Province of Yorkshire, West Riding, England have just undertaken a very enjoyable trip to a lodge on Dublin in Ireland. The trip was a wonderful experience and highlighted the social side of Freemasonry. Although the ceremony was cut short due to the on-going Covid 19 crisis, we still saw a different ceremony from under a different constitution. The masonic part of the trip can be read about here and the social side can be read about here. I hope you enjoy the read.
  16. It's surprising (or perhaps not) how many secretaries are unaware of this. Some years ago a severe winter weather situation arose while I was lodge secretary, so I said the proposed meeting would have to be abandoned. A very experienced brother told me to cancel it, which I knew was incorrect. I asked the ProvGSec to advise and that advice was to abandon. I only did this because the brother was adamant. I since learned that if 'cancellation' is noted in the minutes and those minutes become confirmed, then the lodge's fate is technically sealed. Undoubtedly a bit of backtracking could be done even after the minutes are confirmed, so I cannot see an erasure actually taking place on that ground alone these days. Provinces don't like to lose lodges!
  17. The Grand Lodge of Ireland have suspended all activity in all branches until 31st August. Frank.
  18. The BoC though, gives District Grand Masters more power over their Districts than Provincial Grand Masters have over their Provinces.
  19. Here in Malaysia we are in lock down and ALL our meetings including our District Grand Lodge meeting are to stop until 30 June 2020. All Lodge buildings are closed
  20. Surprisingly, some Lodges have been doing this. It has taken a reiteration of the rules to remind Secretaries and WMs that they can't just cancel a meeting as a safeguard against infection. If there are a minimum of 5 to hold the quorum, the meeting should go ahead. No need for regalia or formalities. If there isn't, then the meeting is abandoned rather than cancelled.
  21. Do you REALLY believe Masonic discipline would have been applied in such a Draconian way? I'm sure that the Master (and more importantly, his Secretary!) would have been educated in the correct procedure.
  22. Morning all. I've been away for a few years. Just catching up. HTM.
  23. Indeed... which is why my post include "less 5 members to open/close" 🙂 It is situations like this where the words (probably incorrectly) attributed to Douglas Bader are appropriate: Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
  24. I've corrected your title as the Grand Master of the UGLE has no say over the Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland.
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