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  1. On the Dan Snow BBC programme regards the Klondike Gold Rush circa 1900 there was a shot of a graveyard at a staging post containing some of those who did not make it. He stood alongside a grave clearly marked with a Square, Compasses and the letter G.
  2. Trapsing round after the Deacons is being seen too much.Why anyway do you need to be seen as a DC during the ritual unless required to move someone or take an item?
  3. Whist you may well feel that he should be more vocal in Open Lodge, what do the rest of the Lodge feel? Perhaps they are happy with his method.Please don't take offence at this because it maybe just me. But if I had a DC following me in Mark or any other degree I would quite quickly tell him where to go. I would take it that the DC was expecting a slip up hence his hovering and wanting to be seen and show off.In Open Lodge discreet prompters stationed by the DC if necessary for that purpose is all thats required. Handling the situation discreetly.Many years ago in my Mother Lodge a young SD in a passing got to the SW chair and blanked, nobody helped. The DC with a loud Tut grabbed his wand and marched to the rear of the SD and prompted. The SD was so embarassed and the whole event was an embarassment that he dropped out a short while later.Beware of over zealous DC's, and I have been one.
  4. The first thing to remember is that a DC is an additional office and therefore can be dispensed with. Perhaps your particular Lodge in this case does not need one.However having been a DC in the past I saw my role primarily at the LoI, with an assistant to hone the ritual and polish the rubric, as well as encouraging those coming along into Office.At the ceremony he should only be dealing with the running of the meeting where he is required. The IPM should be prompting the WM and if required other prompters should be stationed near the JW and SW to assist. There should be no calling from the E to W of a word!The main thing is if the ceremony is flowing, even if a sentance is left out, keep going. Stopping and starting often leads to further errors by the Brother concerned. Common Sense prevails.However if the ritual and rubric are correct and the meeting flows, the Lodge gets praise, if it falls apart and is poor, the DC is blamed. Part of the territory!!
  5. Unsure but R.W. Bro H. Keith Emmerson DepGM In Mark is!No connection but what a great keyboard section The Prog Rock Masonic group would have been when Rick Wakeman is included!
  6. Throughout time there has always been that ages 'modern man'. Its the generation who adopt the new changes in social and economic trends.For instance today's modern man in the home may well do as much housework as their wife/partner. Change nappies etc. Certainly something that my 90 year old Father did not do and was taken aback that I was doing just that 20 years ago! However demands are higher from today's generation, information and results at a touch of a button, job hopping, time poor, money poor, fast paced and particularly the 'me' generation.However Masonry must look at the type of members it wants as the above does not fit all. After all not everyone who lived through the 60's and 70's was a drug taking nymphomaniac! Which is often the epitaph of that generation. Some of the above does fit the current working man with regards time and money. In that sense we do need to look at cost and meeting times. Paying £300 for a Lodge Subscription and starting at 3.30 on a weekday may not be suitable to current let alone future masons.It is interesting that speaking to some of the younger generation who are members it is often the opposite to the 'modern world' which attracts. Almost a throw back to the olden days, the dressing up, with a tie, learning ritual, discipline etc.So we should be careful that in our striving to attract the 'modern man' we exclude those who are more suited.
  7. Medic (01/02/2016)chestnut (01/02/2016)We must first assume that the Master Elect can carry out the duties required unless he has indicated otherwise and would delegate responsibility to others. The starting point, which is seen so often, is for the Secretary/PM's to immediately assume responsibility for all decisions leaving the new WM feeling like a puppet.I do not feel like a puppet but I understand what you are saying. When you say carry out the duties required what do you mean e.g. bits of ritual? we all do that. bits of ritual? we all do that - Some don't.My comment was not directed at you but to those Masters who I have spoken to who were told what to do, given their officers, meals chosen for them etc. At its basic level the Masters duty is to perform ritual, in whatever capacity they can. However there is more to it than just that:Chair GPC meetings.Oversee any other committee.Engage with the DC and Secretary on Lodge matters including degrees or Provincial matters.Engage with any Festival CommitteeRepresent the Lodge at any Combined Lodge meeting, Installation meetings and Provincial Meetings.It is the Master who is responsible for the Lodge whilst in his tenure.
  8. We must first assume that the Master Elect can carry out the duties required unless he has indicated otherwise and would delegate responsibility to others. The starting point, which is seen so often, is for the Secretary/PM's to immediately assume responsibility for all decisions leaving the new WM feeling like a puppet.
  9. I am always a little puzzled by such incidents.The Master is elected by the Brethren to preside over the Lodge.The Master appoints and invests the Officers, with the exception on those elected.His Officers are ultimately his choice and work for him on behalf of the Lodge.It is not acknowledging the responsibility of the Master for any committee to overrule or enforce.No Master should devolve his responsibility. He has final approval or veto.Of course simple management and cooperation within an organisation means that a level of politics and compromise is required. By all members.
  10. An interesting question and one which I often hear.Our Masonic ancestors, as old photos can confirm, proudly wore all their jewels, charitable and PM's all at once. These were awarded on attainment and worn until their death or their jackets gave out, whichever the sooner.It then became a custom for PM's jewels to be presented and worn until a Provincial or District rank was obtained. But these jewels were kept by the recipient. Nowadays due to the expense of these jewels they have been returned to the Lodge, when no longer being worn, to be passed onto a new recipient.I am fortunate to have and wear 3 PM's jewels, 2 of which have been recycled to me from Brethren I knew and respected but are no longer with us. In my current Lodge there is a PM jewel worn by the IPM which is then returned. There is an ongoing discussion as to what a Brother gets after that!
  11. Pay money to fund it and 33 episodes? Sceptical to say the least!
  12. If the R&A can rebrand themselves surely Freemasonry can?
  13. I quite like it.Its clean, modern and simple. The reason for this I would imagine is that UGLE then hold copyright over the new official logo which can not be reproduced without permission.If you look up Freemason Logo you get the S&C in many guises but not the Coat of ArmsI am concerned over the term rebranding which usually means that all other logos, refereed to here as the Arms, are dropped. Surelly on official in house documents such as the warrant or a certificate it will remain as an embossed stamp?
  14. Sadly the point has been missed by some of what the content is saying.This is not the simple act of learning a new task.Take the first line, I would rather SEE a sermon than hear one any day.For me this is simple, dont tell me how to act show me how to act. Your good deeds and approach to life will show me how to live mine by example. If we apply this to Masonry many say the words and dont act on those words.
  15. There are many good points raised. Some of which I have spoken about at a Lodge level, Officers on a 2 year cycle, twinning with a mutual lodge and attending each other meetings etc.But the fact is that there is point when the Lodge is too small with working Masons to operate effectively, just as there is a point when it is too large and stifles progression. But as Masons we have to have an open mind and show a little Brotherly Love which at times is lacking.We believe or most believe that their Mother Lodge is the best and that is how the ritual/rubric should be done. However when encouraging a Lodge to join through their demise perhaps the receiving Lodge should acknowledge the Lodge which is closing. Show on the summons the crest of the Lodge which is joining. Giving that Lodge still a sense of identity and continuation in name only at least. Perhaps incorporate some of their working, you never know it could enhance and reinvigorate their meetings.Welcome members and make them feel included as a whole not as a clique to be pitied. "Poor them their Lodge closed!" We have to come up with a solution which suits everyone as this will be happening more and more.Unfortunately the one lodge one meet rule is there so that a Brother does not continue meeting and does not pay his way towards cost, UGLE and Grand Charity thus increasing the costs of those who are attached. Not every Mason can be trusted, strange as that may be.
  16. Mike Martin (11/11/2014)chestnut (08/11/2014)Bootlebuck1 (08/11/2014)I think it is a g or t and not a handshake, not within the lodge anyhow as the hands do not move....I only see the handshake when the g is used when Brethren greet each other outside of the lodge, however that has nothing to do with what goes on inside itSo as you have witnessed outside of the Lodge and within probably public gaze Brethren greet each other with a handshake and the g. We have come full circle.As I ALSO mentioned I have witnessed many non-Masons giving the grip as part of a handshake to each other and also to me, so this point is quite flimsy.[/quoteI will have to agree to disagree as we are indeed going in circles.
  17. Bootlebuck1 (08/11/2014)I think it is a g or t and not a handshake, not within the lodge anyhow as the hands do not move....I only see the handshake when the g is used when Brethren greet each other outside of the lodge, however that has nothing to do with what goes on inside itSo as you have witnessed outside of the Lodge and within probably public gaze Brethren greet each other with a handshake and the g. We have come full circle.
  18. bod (06/11/2014)Sentience (05/11/2014)The average man in the street knows we have a means to confirm another Freemason by a meeting of the hands. To the average man, this IS a handshake. The fact we call it something else matters not and to try and deny it as a handshake simply plays into the hands of the sceptics who will think we're trying to cover something more sinister up. Do we have secrets? Yes, various means of confirmation and all part of the ceremonies, and nothing more.We need to be clear as freemasons what the grip is for and when it is used, by which I mean that we should be clear that it is used in the course of the degree ceremony, and that we don't use it outside of the lodge.And names do matter - we difine what it is and how it is named, not the "average man" (who I have yet to meet)I think its probably clear that I agree with Sentinence.Where is it clear to FM's that it is only to be used within the Lodge and not outside when we are informed that the grip serves to distinguish a Brother by night as well as by day inferring the illumination of the sun on the matter and not the time of day or circumstances.Surely we are to be as transparent as we can and not shroud ourselves in semantics.
  19. I do not live a sheltered existence as you must think and having played Professional team sports as well as working in a male environment I have seen and heard most things whilst being over 50 have encountered most as well.What your wife calls your opinions after 40 years is probably an indication of their validity. Age does not offer a right to being uncivil.Your opinion is yours and you have a right to air it. A right which I would defend whether I believe your opinion or not. Remember opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but most stink!!An opinion is only that unless its based on factual and documented evidence, do you have any to support your supposition? If not then its just another opinion, as mine was.My point with regards to how we communicate to each other or the rest of the world online is a valid one. We have no idea as to whether what we write has or will offend or be misinterpreted. You have not offended me but if you stood in front of a Brother on first meeting and used the same words then I am disappointed.
  20. yorksmason (28/10/2014)chestnut (28/10/2014)yorksmason (27/10/2014)chestnut (27/10/2014)Vivian Leigh has come a long way since Gone with the Wind!It is impossible to be a Secret Society if everyone knows of our existence.But the secret handshake does fly in the face of what we are taught to conceal. But there again what is he going to say!!I know this has been discussed previously but there is a world of difference between a grip used in the course of a ceremony and a "secret handshake".One says swede, one says turnip. They are both the same thing.Grip or handshake the only difference is movement!Total nonsense. At no stage in any ceremony do we shake hands. We give a grip. Therefor there is no masonic handshake.A hand shake is what passes between two people when they greet each other and should never involve any kind of secret grip.So its nonsense in your opinion that the difference between a grip and a handshake is movement?Unfortunately the ritual at times can be taken too literally. If we are to believe that the method of communicating your membership was by a grip, then its not too much of a stretch of the imagination that this would be given whilst greeting someone by shaking their hand. To not shake their hand and just hold it would appear to onlookers to be unnatural and therefore suspicious. So my opinion, as you have stated yours, is different and I would not be quite so dismissive and call yours nonsense.Unfortunately when discussing views online the method of communication or words used can be more inflammatory or insensitive than when discussing face to face. Perhaps as masons we should bear that in mind!
  21. bod (28/10/2014)Any fule kno a swede & a turnip are differentReally I must be one then as being of Scottish decent what we refer to as turnip as in neeps and tatties is an English swede.Of course there's no doubt in your mind!!
  22. yorksmason (27/10/2014)chestnut (27/10/2014)Vivian Leigh has come a long way since Gone with the Wind!It is impossible to be a Secret Society if everyone knows of our existence.But the secret handshake does fly in the face of what we are taught to conceal. But there again what is he going to say!!I know this has been discussed previously but there is a world of difference between a grip used in the course of a ceremony and a "secret handshake".One says swede, one says turnip. They are both the same thing.Grip or handshake the only difference is movement!
  23. Vivian Leigh has come a long way since Gone with the Wind!It is impossible to be a Secret Society if everyone knows of our existence.But the secret handshake does fly in the face of what we are taught to conceal. But there again what is he going to say!!
  24. Just seen 'Muppets most Wanted' with my daughter.Its not the first time I have seen a bunch of Muppets in Great Queen Street!
  25. That looks like the Grecian Temple in the old Great Eastern Hotel Liverpool Street.
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