Mike Martin 131 Report post Posted September 21, 2015 I'm putting this here so it doesn't get lost, sometimes research gets lost or forgotten:Excellent question.Quote:Originally Posted by geronimo Very interesting, Mike. Now, Tony Blair is alleged to be a 33rd degree Mason and a member of the Studholme lodge, (frequented by Alistair Crowley, founder of the OTO.)The facts, for you right now.Tony Blair is not a Freemason and even if he had been there is no doubt that he wouldn't be now as (I'm sure you know this) he very publically converted to catholicism at the hand of the Pope.However neither he or Crowley were members of the Studholme Lodge. Crowley mainly because he was never a member of any Lodges under the UGLE.The bit about Blair would only be an obvious fabrication to a Freemason, let me explain.The person who came up with that little gem chose Studholme Lodge because it was in fact the Lodge that Winston Churchill was Initiated into in 1901. Unfortunately what that person didn't know was that Studholme Lodge No.1591 changed its name in 1959 as it amalgamated with another Lodge and became United Studholme Lodge. That Lodge amalgamated again in 1976 and today it is called United Studholme Alliance Lodge No.1591. So if the person knew what they were talking about (rather than making it up) they would, at least, have said he was a member of the Studholme Alliance Lodge or if they really knew anything the United Studholme Alliance Lodge which it would have to have been. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bootlebuck1 12 Report post Posted September 21, 2015 I think alot of these rumors stem from the conspiracy theorists. There are other notable politicians also linked to Masonry, namely James Callaghan....Ken Clarke and Enoch Powell......purely on the grounds that they have attended Bilderberg conferences 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vandermas 2 Report post Posted December 12, 2015 Hi I'm just about to undertake my Entered Apprentice Degree, And I'm from Co.Antrim Northern Ireland, And Just started on this Forum and seen the question....Is Tony Blair a Freemason? I know You are all talking about Tony Blair Former PM.'But I thought I would share this with you..'My name is Blair(No relation to the PM)But I have an other brother who has been a Freemason for many years! 'And yes his name is Tony Blair. 'I'm sure he got a lot of curious replies when he asked to visit some Lodges.Hugh Blair. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Cherup 6 Report post Posted December 12, 2015 I would like to welcome you to the forum.Hope you enjoy your membership to the forum. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouillogan 166 Report post Posted December 12, 2015 vandermas (12/12/2015)Hi I'm just about to undertake my Entered Apprentice Degree, And I'm from Co.Antrim Northern Ireland, And Just started on this Forum and seen the question....Is Tony Blair a Freemason? I know You are all talking about Tony Blair Former PM.'But I thought I would share this with you..'My name is Blair(No relation to the PM)But I have an other brother who has been a Freemason for many years! 'And yes his name is Tony Blair. 'I'm sure he got a lot of curious replies when he asked to visit some Lodges.Hugh Blair.During your initiation in Ireland, I'm sure you'll see the point of Freemasonry; unfortunately the English don't really get it. Welcome and enjoy your new view on life - the answer isn't '42' by the way! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sentience 61 Report post Posted December 12, 2015 Trouillogan (12/12/2015)vandermas (12/12/2015)Hi I'm just about to undertake my Entered Apprentice Degree, And I'm from Co.Antrim Northern Ireland, And Just started on this Forum and seen the question....Is Tony Blair a Freemason? I know You are all talking about Tony Blair Former PM.'But I thought I would share this with you..'My name is Blair(No relation to the PM)But I have an other brother who has been a Freemason for many years! 'And yes his name is Tony Blair. 'I'm sure he got a lot of curious replies when he asked to visit some Lodges.Hugh Blair.During your initiation in Ireland, I'm sure you'll see the point of Freemasonry; unfortunately the English don't really get it. Welcome and enjoy your new view on life - the answer isn't '42' by the way!Care to expand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RexK1 4 Report post Posted December 12, 2015 Sentience (12/12/2015)Trouillogan (12/12/2015)vandermas (12/12/2015)Hi I'm just about to undertake my Entered Apprentice Degree, And I'm from Co.Antrim Northern Ireland, And Just started on this Forum and seen the question....Is Tony Blair a Freemason? I know You are all talking about Tony Blair Former PM.'But I thought I would share this with you..'My name is Blair(No relation to the PM)But I have an other brother who has been a Freemason for many years! 'And yes his name is Tony Blair. 'I'm sure he got a lot of curious replies when he asked to visit some Lodges.Hugh Blair.During your initiation in Ireland, I'm sure you'll see the point of Freemasonry; unfortunately the English don't really get it. Welcome and enjoy your new view on life - the answer isn't '42' by the way!Care to expand?The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eastbeast 6 Report post Posted December 13, 2015 Trouillogan (12/12/2015)[/b]During your initiation in Ireland, I'm sure you'll see the point of Freemasonry; unfortunately the English don't really get it. If they came and saw our Demo of the Irish 1st they might? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanR 1 Report post Posted November 1, 2016 Hi all, this is my first post in this forum. I am familiar with a lot of the lies generated by anti-masons and conspiracy theorists. I have recently been banned again from the David Icke forum, a place where the most disgusting claims are made against our organisation, where my defence of the principles of the order led to many heated debates and attacks. People in that forum try to make out many people are freemasons, even trying to claim Jimmy Saville was one. Their whole intent is to connect freemasonry with anybody evil or unpopular in order to promote their false ideology. Luckily there are a number of excellent and well informed masons who counter their claims point by point but the truth is that those people don't want facts, they want a false reality built on the ideas of David Icke. If you ever read his books you will understand why their heads are so messed up. I keep getting banned because I tell them what I think of them straight up. It seems judgement is only allowed to go one way!Before I joined freemasonry I was a member of the OTO for a number of years but didn't attend vary much. While Crowley was said to be a 33 degree AASR mason I think this was done in an irregular lodge and therefore not really valid, a point that the conspiracy theorists overlook when trying to claim freemasonry and the OTO are run by the same people at the top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouillogan 166 Report post Posted November 1, 2016 There is actually no point in arguing with those kinds of masonophobic conspiracy theorists; they don't want to hear that their dyed-in-the-wool ideas won't stand up to authentic examination. Generally they only want to confirm their ideas with others of like mentality. Let them chatter among themselves and just walk away. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanR 1 Report post Posted November 1, 2016 Trouillogan (01/11/2016)There is actually no point in arguing with those kinds of masonophobic conspiracy theorists; they don't want to hear that their dyed-in-the-wool ideas won't stand up to authentic examination. Generally they only want to confirm their ideas with others of like mentality. Let them chatter among themselves and just walk away.I agree but there is a problem that their numbers are growing. Also, I'm sure some of the claims they make on those forums would open the forums up to prosecution as they accuse our organisation of many awful things. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sontaran 88 Report post Posted November 2, 2016 vandermas (12/12/2015)Hi I'm just about to undertake my Entered Apprentice Degree, And I'm from Co.Antrim Northern Ireland, And Just started on this Forum and seen the question....Is Tony Blair a Freemason? I know You are all talking about Tony Blair Former PM.'But I thought I would share this with you..'My name is Blair(No relation to the PM)But I have an other brother who has been a Freemason for many years! 'And yes his name is Tony Blair. 'I'm sure he got a lot of curious replies when he asked to visit some Lodges.Hugh Blair.I know this is an old thread, but given it has just sprung to life again, I thought it worth mentioning that of one of our Province's members is named David Cameron - same spelling. And no, he's not the former PM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouillogan 166 Report post Posted November 2, 2016 IanR (01/11/2016)Trouillogan (01/11/2016)There is actually no point in arguing with those kinds of masonophobic conspiracy theorists; they don't want to hear that their dyed-in-the-wool ideas won't stand up to authentic examination. Generally they only want to confirm their ideas with others of like mentality. Let them chatter among themselves and just walk away.I agree but there is a problem that their numbers are growing. Also, I'm sure some of the claims they make on those forums would open the forums up to prosecution as they accuse our organisation of many awful things.Not really a problem because Freemasonry is not an entity in a legal sense, so it can neither sue nor be sued, as I understand it. If individuals are mentioned, then that's another matter entirely. We've lived with detractors, from popes to paupers for three hundred years and survived them all. The more you interact with conspiracy theorists, the more they will deliberately twist and misconstrue what you say. Best not to stir the pot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bod 25 Report post Posted November 2, 2016 They're not really growing in number - all that is happening is that they are more easy to find - it's generally the same bunch of loons on all the forums. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanR 1 Report post Posted November 2, 2016 Trouillogan (02/11/2016)IanR (01/11/2016)Trouillogan (01/11/2016)There is actually no point in arguing with those kinds of masonophobic conspiracy theorists; they don't want to hear that their dyed-in-the-wool ideas won't stand up to authentic examination. Generally they only want to confirm their ideas with others of like mentality. Let them chatter among themselves and just walk away.I agree but there is a problem that their numbers are growing. Also, I'm sure some of the claims they make on those forums would open the forums up to prosecution as they accuse our organisation of many awful things.Not really a problem because Freemasonry is not an entity in a legal sense, so it can neither sue nor be sued, as I understand it. If individuals are mentioned, then that's another matter entirely. We've lived with detractors, from popes to paupers for three hundred years and survived them all. The more you interact with conspiracy theorists, the more they will deliberately twist and misconstrue what you say. Best not to stir the pot.Maybe I wasn't clear before. I meant the anti-masonic forums make claims that are probably illegal. TBH I'm shocked they can still function as they are massively anti-Semitic as well. I didn't mean that freemasonry can be sued. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
William 0 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 It is my experience that the internet is full of people who argue about and contradict everything possible. People often say things on line that they would not dare face to face. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouillogan 166 Report post Posted September 29, 2019 The world has detractors on every subject under the sun; the Internet just makes communications easier. It's good that nowadays UGLE keep a constant eye on these things and when something specific or actionable comes up or we tell them, these days they act. Besides, people with even half a brain cell take little heed of social media ranting posts, whether the writer is an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym or even a president of some company or country. Such posts without evidential references are worthless, void and of no effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3GP441 28 Report post Posted October 1, 2019 On 13/12/2015 at 18:54, eastbeast said: Trouillogan (12/12/2015) [/b] During your initiation in Ireland, I'm sure you'll see the point of Freemasonry; unfortunately the English don't really get it. If they came and saw our Demo of the Irish 1st they might? Point or points more accurately Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trouillogan 166 Report post Posted October 1, 2019 Pointy O'Pointface?! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Blunt 0 Report post Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) As an A-political Freemason (British UGLE official freemasonary) I fully understand the conclusions of this article and understanding the principles of Freemainary being for the enlightenment and education of free minds in humanitarianism and mutuality in the enrichment (knowledgeable & spiritual) of mankind, I would be comfortable with Tony Blair identifying as the same. However knowing of the across the board misunderstanding of Freemasonary, I could understand him wishing to distance himself from any such connection. If any suggestion was to be considered or suspected it would most probably be through his pre-political ambitions and connections with 'the Law' many of whom find solice within our lodges. Edited December 20, 2020 by Peter Blunt Mispelling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lewis 20 Report post Posted December 21, 2020 As an A-political Freemason (British UGLE official freemasonary) ????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sentience 61 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 Think you'll find many from the Military and law enforcement would disagree with him being one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Martin 131 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 On 20/12/2020 at 01:37, Peter Blunt said: As an A-political Freemason (British UGLE official freemasonary) I'm with Lewis in the raised eyebrow department, very strange terminology. Which Lodge are you a member of old chap? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Not quite so Uninitiated 9 Report post Posted December 22, 2020 On 21/09/2015 at 17:51, Mike Martin said: Quote: Originally Posted by geronimo Very interesting, Mike. Now, Tony Blair is alleged to be a 33rd degree Mason and a member of the Studholme lodge, (frequented by Alistair Crowley, founder of the OTO.) Let's go back to the original quote... AIUI, in England, the only way to get to be a 33rd degree Mason is via the Ancient and Accepted Rite (aka Rose Croix) - the A&AR year book lists all holders of the 33° and The Right Honourable Anthony Charles Lynton Blair is not listed. The Studholme Lodge No. 1591 was Winston Churchill's Lodge... but since it has been the United Studholme Alliance Lodge since 1957, I don't think Blair will have been a member of the (just) Studholme lodge! Equally, Blair has no (known) connection with Surbiton. Thus, having disproved the two "facts", I think it is reasonable to be doubtful of any Masonic career?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sontaran 88 Report post Posted December 23, 2020 On 22/12/2020 at 20:39, Not quite so Uninitiated said: AIUI, in England, the only way to get to be a 33rd degree Mason is via the Ancient and Accepted Rite (aka Rose Croix) Or KTP ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
