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1 hour ago, Trouillogan said:

Mischievously - How come, then, that so many lodges founded since 1813 bear the names of saints?!ūüė≥

Very good question. In Cambs there are many lodges named after local saints, BVM, Holy Trinity. I like it!

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1 hour ago, Ozymandius said:

Mightbe time for another topic then but ..................Duke of Sussex - A help or a hinderence for Freemasonry?

 

"Light the blue touchpaper and stand well back"!

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1 hour ago, Trouillogan said:

Would that be light blue or dark blue?!

You’re in very impish form today, Hugh!

As a Cambridge man, there is only light blue...

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On ‚Äé08‚Äé/‚Äé04‚Äé/‚Äé2020 at 07:07, DavidGoode said:

I'm talking about the de-Christianisation of the Craft and Royal Arch under the Duke of Sussex, who became Grand Master in 1813.

That's definitely an interesting idea! However, it makes me wonder why if this "de-Christianisation" happened in 1813 James Anderson the first Grand Secretary of the Premier Grand Lodge would have included the following Charge in its first Book of Constitutions published in 1723:

 

I. Concerning GOD and RELIGION

A MASON is obliged, by his tenure, to obey the moral law; and if he rightly understand the art he will never be a stupid atheist nor an irreligious libertine. He, of all men, should best understand that God seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh at the outward appearance, but God looketh to the heart. A mason is, therefore, particularly bound never to act against the dictates of his conscience. Let a man’s religion or mode of worship be what it may, he is not excluded from the order, provided he believe in the glorious architect of heaven and earth, and practise the sacred duties of morality. Masons unite with the virtuous of every persuasion in the firm and pleasing bond of fraternal love; they are taught to view the errors of mankind with compassion, and to strive, by the purity of their own conduct, to demonstrate the superior excellence of the faith they may profess. Thus masonry is the centre of union between good men and true, and the happy means of conciliating friendship amongst those who must otherwise have remained at a perpetual distance.

 

Seems to me that if such a process happened it happened right at the start of the Premier Grand Lodge and the birth of "Grand Lodge" or organised Freemasonry .

 

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1 hour ago, Mike Martin said:

That's definitely an interesting idea! However, it makes me wonder why if this "de-Christianisation" happened in 1813 James Anderson the first Grand Secretary of the Premier Grand Lodge would have included the following Charge in its first Book of Constitutions published in 1723:

 

I. Concerning GOD and RELIGION

A MASON is obliged, by his tenure, to obey the moral law; and if he rightly understand the art he will never be a stupid atheist nor an irreligious libertine. He, of all men, should best understand that God seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh at the outward appearance, but God looketh to the heart. A mason is, therefore, particularly bound never to act against the dictates of his conscience. Let a man’s religion or mode of worship be what it may, he is not excluded from the order, provided he believe in the glorious architect of heaven and earth, and practise the sacred duties of morality. Masons unite with the virtuous of every persuasion in the firm and pleasing bond of fraternal love; they are taught to view the errors of mankind with compassion, and to strive, by the purity of their own conduct, to demonstrate the superior excellence of the faith they may profess. Thus masonry is the centre of union between good men and true, and the happy means of conciliating friendship amongst those who must otherwise have remained at a perpetual distance.

 

Seems to me that if such a process happened it happened right at the start of the Premier Grand Lodge and the birth of "Grand Lodge" or organised Freemasonry .

 

Indeed that is so, but Anderson/Desaguliers were ahead of their time and it didn't fully catch on.  Probably because the Established Anglican Church was much more pervasive than it is now.  Not long before then, people were fined each time they failed to attend; Lodges carried on that 'tradition' until well after the Union!  In any case, it wasn't so much a 'de-Christianising' as it was a way of enabling those of other monotheistic faiths, such as Jews, to join.  Unfortunately the Churches tended to see it as a denial of Christianity and still do, which, of course, it is not; it's a unifying and inclusive principle as distinct from being divisive and exclusive.  This is one of the chief reasons why discussion of religion is prohibited in our lodges.

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13 hours ago, DavidGoode said:

You’re in very impish form today, Hugh!

As a Cambridge man, there is only light blue...

not grand lodge then?

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Sorry you're both wrong of course (on the colours ..); neither colour (light or dark) are Cambridge or Oxford. Strictly speaking, the the masonic blues are Garter Blue and Light Blue - Cambridge Blue is of course, a blue-green and differs drastically from light blue ... yes David, I'm aware that light blue is used by some of the colleges as 'Cambridge Blue' - but the University defines it as a blue-green.

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On a slightly more serious note thougn, it is curious how many think the masonic 'dark blue' is Oxford Blue and the 'light blue' is Cambridge Blue when neither is actually the case - and that many don't realise that 'Cambridge Blue' has a number of definitions!

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On 09/04/2020 at 20:03, RexK1 said:

not grand lodge then?

You guys really need to lighten up a bit. It was an attempt at light humour.

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6 hours ago, RexK1 said:

You guys really need to lighten up a bit. It was an attempt at light humour.

'Light'?  would that greater or lesser?!

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And back to topic - GLoI informs on its data protection notice with reference to 'Masonic entities'. see item 6....

https://freemason.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Data-Protection-Notice.pdf

‚ÄúMasonic Entities‚ÄĚ includes any Lodges you join or have joined, their Provincial, Metropolitan or District Grand Lodges, the Grand Lodge of Ireland, Supreme Grand Royal Arch Chapter of Ireland, Grand Council of Knight Masons, Great Priory of Ireland and the Ancient and Accepted Rite for Ireland.

This would imply that all these Orders as listed above are Masonic despite its - Declaration stating ...¬†This Grand Lodge is a Sovereign and independent Body practising Freemasonry only within the three Degrees and only with the limits defined in its Constitution as ‚Äúpure Ancient Masonry‚ÄĚ. It does not recognise or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled.

All home Grand Lodges state the same Declaration.

The Data Protection Masonic Entities and the Declaration are contrary positions.  

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On the question of data protection law, it is the law of the land that matters and nothing else.

On the question of masonic jurisdiction of orders, you would need to ask the issuer of that notice for clarification regarding orders over which it has no jurisdiction.

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On 15/04/2020 at 11:17, Trouillogan said:

On the question of data protection law, it is the law of the land that matters and nothing else.

On the question of masonic jurisdiction of orders, you would need to ask the issuer of that notice for clarification regarding orders over which it has no jurisdiction.

Absolutely - the Law of the land should be adhered.

Have been searching websites on Irish Orders and only that of GL hosts a data notice. I also think each individual order is responsible for its own data.

And on further searching I note GL MMM hall website privacy notice is only applicable to its website usage and not any of its Orders. 

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