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Is it possible to get hermeticism lessons from freemasons

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I would like to be a mason too, but I don't think I can meet your criteria. I am poor and I am not successful in my career. I don't know a mason who can be a reference for me. i love hermetic subjects such as egyptian culture, kabbalah, alchemy, numerology, telekinesis and witchcraft. I have made some progress in this regard, albeit a little on my own. I've also had experience of conjuring, and I've had minor successes. That's just what I'm wondering. can i be a student of masons without being a mason? Is it possible for me to take lessons on hermetic subjects from you? Do Masonic Lodges accept such students? Of course, I would be more pleased if I could be a mason, but even if I can't, can I take classes this way? So far, I have sent emails to many Masonic lodges for this, but my emails have remained unanswered.

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When you join Freemasonry you will find Freemasonry not those other things, although you might come across the odd person who is interested in those things.

The best thing you can do is find the website of the Grand Lodge where you are and read and if interested make contact. Based on your IP address this would seem to be the right one: https://thegrandlodgeofmacedonia.org/en/home-en/ 

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I think you completely misunderstand what Freemasonry is about.

First, not one of the subjects you mention have anything to do with Freemasonry - except perhaps Kabbalah, and that only by those interested in the esoteric side.

Secondly, it matters not one whit if you are poor or not particularly successful in your chosen career - the only financial consideration is: can you afford an annual membership fee without impacting on your family. What matters is you; are you what people would describe as a good man. Do you believe in God (Christian description for ease). Those are the things that matter.

Freemasonry is about learning about yourself; about learning how to be a useful member of society, and gaining the support of like-minded individuals. It's not about investigating the sort of things you mention -unless it's something you personally are curious about, but you won't find any of that in Freemasonry or in our lodges.

Incidentally, regarding your email question; assuming you started emailing last year, it's distinctly possible that you haven't had any replies solely down to the pandemic - particularly if, as has been the case in England, all activity has been suspended .. there may not have been many people checking routine enquiries.

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@Sontaran

I think this is a political answer because what I have learned is all from the books of freemasons. I like these books too much. but If you say freemasons have nothing with these subjects I will just smile and say okey to this political answer. Ok I understand why you are answering in this way but don't do this to a man who red approximately more than hundred freemasonary publication.

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41 minutes ago, bertainas said:

@Sontaran

I think this is a political answer because what I have learned is all from the books of freemasons. I like these books too much. but If you say freemasons have nothing with these subjects I will just smile and say okey to this political answer. Ok I understand why you are answering in this way but don't do this to a man who red approximately more than hundred freemasonary publication.

His answer is not in any way "political" it is just factual. You have either been misled or have misunderstood what you have seen so far and have the wrong idea of what this Fraternity offers to its members. If Freemasonry could be learnt from reading books about Freemasonry there would be no need for Lodges!

I would recommend you follow my earlier advice so that you can make an advancement in Masonic knowledge.

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Wow. Just ... wow.

A bit of an attitude there .. just because he thinks we're not being honest. Ah well - you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. He obviously doesn't understand why I answered as I did, as reading a load of books written by people who also happen to be freemasons is not the same as being a member!

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irrespective of the potential second language indication, this reads to me like one of Icke's deluded followers "phishing" for a bite.

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There is no one size fits all answer to your question.

Firstly it depends on where you are located globally as each Masonic jurisdiction view things differently.

Some parts of Freemasonry in the UK use to cover spiritual teachings and alchemy but these are now far and few between.

There are other Orders with links to Freemasonry (ie their membership is made up solely of Freemasons) who do look at kabbalah, alchemy, numerology, and Hermeticism in great depths but it requires one to have been admitted and initiated into Freemasonry first.

To the best of my knowledge none of these study telekinesis and witchcraft.

Likewise no Masonic Order teaches non-Masons either face to face or via distance learning.

There are non Masonic Orders that do such as AMORC but these are not connected to Freemasonry.

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On 7/3/2021 at 5:59 PM, Sontaran said:

@sontaran

I learned all the teachings that you rejected by reading the books of the freeMasons. I learned how to summon a demon from goetia and crowley. Isn't franz bardon a freemason? Isn't Israel regardie a freemason? Isn't it the freeMasonic teachings they wrote in their books? Isn't chic cicero a freemason? Isn't enochian magick a freeMasonic teaching? Isn't chaos magick a freeMasonic doctrine? I even learned how to use an altar from books written by freeMasons. People from Golden Dawn publish books and they are sold on Amazon. I bought and read them. I practiced as much as I could. I also loved these teachings. I had very good experiences. I also wanted to deepen these issues by taking lessons from them as a freemason.

You say they don't exist in our teachings, but there are books written under the name of Golden Dawn. It's all on amazon. Even if it's not on the cover, it's written in the book that this is a golden dawn teaching.  I love these teachings too much. This magnificient spiritualism and I had some experiences with spirits. Even if you say this teachings don't exist in freemasonry, there are public books there.

I don't understand your rejection. I am a person who loves you. I don't understand why you take such a rejection to a person who loves you. What happens when you say they don't exist in your teachings? You can say let's talk via private message. You can say let's stop talking and leave here, but it's sad that you say you don't believe us. You have books on amazon.com. openly sold items. Anyone can get it when they pay.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=golden+dawn&ref=nb_sb_noss

spiritualism and magick. I learned them from you. not from any other source. I am already your unofficial student. I red many books from your tradition. You are a good order. 

 

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6 hours ago, bertainas said:

I learned all the teachings that you rejected by reading the books of the freeMasons. snipped

 

With that, I'm afraid, your welcome was outstayed. 

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On 08/07/2021 at 12:54, bertainas said:

I learned all the teachings that you rejected by reading the books of the freeMasons.

No, you may read have books written by Freemasons, but that doesn't make them books ABOUT Freemasonry. Not the same thing at all. And even if the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was founded by 3 men who also happened to be Freemasons, it doesn't make it Freemasonry - or anything to do with Freemasonry. From Mike's comment I suspect you might not actually see this, but be that as it may, I will still reiterate that nothing in your studies of interest have anything to do with Freemasonry so we can't help you in your quest.

By the way; the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (as distinct from the Greek NeoNazi political movement) no longer exists; it -according to Wikipedia, was dissolved in 1903 .. over 100 years ago. There have been a number of 'organisations' of a similar name, but they are as irrelevant to us as Freemasons as was the original.

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